From: "Anthony W. Youngman" Subject: PIXIE - an mv-DBMS for linux Date: 1999/04/19 Message-ID: #1/1 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: thewolery.demon.co.uk:158.152.222.21 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 924477153 nnrp-06:22295 NO-IDENT thewolery.demon.co.uk:158.152.222.21 Organization: vinny-puch MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: "Anthony W. Youngman" Newsgroups: comp.databases.pick,comp.os.linux.development.apps Note the x-post! Further to discussion on cdp, I have been offered an "almost working" version of Pick, which the author would like to share if we can come to reasonable agreement. The main thing missing is a Basic compiler (Pixic?). Are there any compiler writers out there who could help. Note that from the "C" point of view, the Basic syntax is nasty - semantics depends on syntax :-( - the original writer said he couldn't implement it successfully in YACC/Lex and that's probably why. Once that's in place, all the Pick people should be able to get going writing stuff in Pixic (anybody got a better name?) and we can develop in an environment familiar to Pickies. As for licencing, like me the original author isn't keen on going "Open Source (tm)", certainly not to start with. As I mentioned on cdp, I'm inclined to go for a MySQL style licence, basically on the "if you make money, we would like a cut" share to be ploughed back into the package. I'll get back to the people who've already contacted me (thank you very much) and let you know how things are going in the next day or so. Unfortunately my weekends are the best time to devote to this and they're full of other things at the moment ... If anybody else is interested, please let me know. Note for colda people - Pick is the bumble-bee of the database world. Just as the scientists said the bumble couldn't fly, so the computer scientists said "Pick can't work". What most people don't know is that less than a year after the original work on the bumble bee it was discredited - the maths relied on fixed-wing aerodynamics and the bumble doesn't have a fixed wing. As for databases, the best I can do is (sort of) quote the Pick FAQ. "SQL optimises the easy bit, finding data in a table. Pick optimises the hard bit - getting the data off the disk and into a table in RAM". As regards disk access, Pick should have an almost 1:1 seek:hit ratio on a well tuned file - and it's a poor implementation nowadays that doesn't have automatic tuning. How many other databases can read a 1k record from a 100Mb file and find the record they were looking for at the first attempt? It blows the spots off of many supposedly faster databases. All offers of help gratefully received. -- Anthony W. Youngman - wol at thewolery dot demon dot co dot uk Trousers with a single hole in their waistband are topologically equivalent to a doughnut. These sugarcoated trousers have yet to catch on at fast-food outlets! (SuperStrings by F. David Peat) If replying by e-mail please mail wol. Anything else may get missed amongst the spam. From: "John Bend" Subject: Re: PIXIE - an mv-DBMS for linux Date: 1999/04/20 Message-ID: <7fivhp$9dj$1@newnews.global.net.uk>#1/1 References: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Newsgroups: comp.databases.pick,comp.os.linux.development.apps Anthony, With regard to naming the native language for Pixie. Pixie Language -> Pixel. Pixie Query Language -> PQL John Bend. Anthony W. Youngman wrote in message ... >Note the x-post! > >Further to discussion on cdp, I have been offered an "almost working" >version of Pick, which the author would like to share if we can come to >reasonable agreement. > >The main thing missing is a Basic compiler (Pixic?). Are there any >compiler writers out there who could help. Note that from the "C" point >of view, the Basic syntax is nasty - semantics depends on syntax :-( - >the original writer said he couldn't implement it successfully in >YACC/Lex and that's probably why. Once that's in place, all the Pick >people should be able to get going writing stuff in Pixic (anybody got a >better name?) and we can develop in an environment familiar to Pickies. > >As for licencing, like me the original author isn't keen on going "Open >Source (tm)", certainly not to start with. As I mentioned on cdp, I'm >inclined to go for a MySQL style licence, basically on the "if you make >money, we would like a cut" share to be ploughed back into the package. > >I'll get back to the people who've already contacted me (thank you very >much) and let you know how things are going in the next day or so. >Unfortunately my weekends are the best time to devote to this and >they're full of other things at the moment ... If anybody else is >interested, please let me know. > > >Note for colda people - Pick is the bumble-bee of the database world. >Just as the scientists said the bumble couldn't fly, so the computer >scientists said "Pick can't work". What most people don't know is that >less than a year after the original work on the bumble bee it was >discredited - the maths relied on fixed-wing aerodynamics and the bumble >doesn't have a fixed wing. As for databases, the best I can do is (sort >of) quote the Pick FAQ. "SQL optimises the easy bit, finding data in a >table. Pick optimises the hard bit - getting the data off the disk and >into a table in RAM". As regards disk access, Pick should have an almost >1:1 seek:hit ratio on a well tuned file - and it's a poor implementation >nowadays that doesn't have automatic tuning. How many other databases >can read a 1k record from a 100Mb file and find the record they were >looking for at the first attempt? It blows the spots off of many >supposedly faster databases. > >All offers of help gratefully received. >-- >Anthony W. Youngman - wol at thewolery dot demon dot co dot uk >Trousers with a single hole in their waistband are topologically equivalent >to a doughnut. These sugarcoated trousers have yet to catch on at fast-food >outlets! (SuperStrings by F. David Peat) > >If replying by e-mail please mail wol. Anything else may get missed amongst >the spam. > From: "Anthony W. Youngman" Subject: Re: PIXIE - an mv-DBMS for linux Date: 1999/04/25 Message-ID: #1/1 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: thewolery.demon.co.uk:158.152.222.21 References: X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 925071498 nnrp-08:14431 NO-IDENT thewolery.demon.co.uk:158.152.222.21 Organization: vinny-puch MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: "Anthony W. Youngman" Newsgroups: comp.databases.pick,comp.os.linux.development.apps In article , Anthony W. Youngman writes >Note the x-post! > Following up my own post ... We now have a small team together. Things are likely to go quiet for a little while as we sort out who does what, licencing, getting a unified code base etc. Hopefully we will very soon have an elementary file system and compiler available, so people can start coding in BASIC and we can try and harness the power of cdp to give us a full working system. Watch this space! -- Anthony W. Youngman "pixie at thewolery.d.c.u" 'Yings, yow graley yin! Suz ae rikt dheu,' said the blue man, taking the thimble. 'What *is* he?' said Magrat. 'They're gnomes,' said Nanny. The man lowered the thimble. 'Pictsies!' Carpe Jugulum, Terry Pratchett 1998 From: mikesw@whiterose.net (M Sweger) Subject: Re: PIXIE - an mv-DBMS for linux Date: 1999/04/26 Message-ID: <7g2qs7$sf8$1@stronghold.dhp.com>#1/1 References: Followup-To: comp.databases.pick,comp.os.linux.development.apps Organization: DataHaven Project, Inc (http://www.dhp.com) Reply-To: mikesw@whiterose.net Newsgroups: comp.databases.pick,comp.os.linux.development.apps : We now have a small team together. Things are likely to go quiet for a : little while as we sort out who does what, licencing, getting a unified : code base etc. : Hopefully we will very soon have an elementary file system and compiler : available, so people can start coding in BASIC and we can try and : harness the power of cdp to give us a full working system. Any Web page to monitor status, or mailing list to subscribe to???? -- Mike, mikesw@whiterose.net From: "Anthony W. Youngman" Subject: Re: PIXIE - an mv-DBMS for linux Date: 1999/04/27 Message-ID: #1/1 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: thewolery.demon.co.uk:158.152.222.21 References: <7g2qs7$sf8$1@stronghold.dhp.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 925255348 nnrp-04:27975 NO-IDENT thewolery.demon.co.uk:158.152.222.21 Organization: vinny-puch MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: "Anthony W. Youngman" Newsgroups: comp.databases.pick,comp.os.linux.development.apps In article <7g2qs7$sf8$1@stronghold.dhp.com>, M Sweger writes > >: We now have a small team together. Things are likely to go quiet for a >: little while as we sort out who does what, licencing, getting a unified >: code base etc. >: Hopefully we will very soon have an elementary file system and compiler >: available, so people can start coding in BASIC and we can try and >: harness the power of cdp to give us a full working system. > >Any Web page to monitor status, or mailing list to subscribe to???? > That's one of the things we're trying to set up. Don't worry, we'll let you know. Hopefully a public web-site will be available by the end of next week (if we find some time to do it :-) It's difficult to say much more than that - I'm supposed to be doing some coding, but I'm very rapidly learning that just managing is both difficult, and time consuming :-) -- Anthony W. Youngman 'Yings, yow graley yin! Suz ae rikt dheu,' said the blue man, taking the thimble. 'What *is* he?' said Magrat. 'They're gnomes,' said Nanny. The man lowered the thimble. 'Pictsies!' Carpe Jugulum, Terry Pratchett 1998 From: "Daniel H. Reese" Subject: Re: PIXIE - an mv-DBMS for linux Date: 1999/04/28 Message-ID: <7g74e5$1nj$1@news.jersey.net>#1/1 References: <7g2qs7$sf8$1@stronghold.dhp.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Organization: WPI Newsgroups: comp.databases.pick,comp.os.linux.development.apps If this is going to be open-source (or even if it is not), let me give a suggestion. DON'T let this turn into a standards struggle like current multi value products, Unix, DVD, etc. Ideas: Form a standards committee that will meet every six months or so to approve enhancements, and require licensees to implement these by a certain time. Require licensees to submit enhancements to the standards committee, and require them to conform when the committee makes it decisions. Make the committee composed of a rep from each licensee, with all decisions carried on a 3/4 vote. This will make the decisions more technically-driven and less marketing- and muscle-driven. >> >>: We now have a small team together. Things are likely to go quiet for a >>: little while as we sort out who does what, licencing, getting a unified >>: code base etc. From: webmaster-nospam@allspec-d-o-t c-o-m (Glen Batchelor) Subject: Re: PIXIE - an mv-DBMS for linux Date: 1999/04/28 Message-ID: <37273f1a.592803406@news.inttek.net>#1/1 References: <7g2qs7$sf8$1@stronghold.dhp.com> X-Trace: 28 Apr 1999 12:05:18 -0400, 209.155.114.10 Organization: All-Spec Static Control Newsgroups: comp.databases.pick,comp.os.linux.development.apps On Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:05:11 +0100, "Anthony W. Youngman" wrote: >In article <7g2qs7$sf8$1@stronghold.dhp.com>, M Sweger > writes >> >>: We now have a small team together. Things are likely to go quiet for a >>: little while as we sort out who does what, licencing, getting a unified >>: code base etc. >>: Hopefully we will very soon have an elementary file system and compiler >>: available, so people can start coding in BASIC and we can try and >>: harness the power of cdp to give us a full working system. >> >>Any Web page to monitor status, or mailing list to subscribe to???? >> >That's one of the things we're trying to set up. Don't worry, we'll let >you know. Hopefully a public web-site will be available by the end of >next week (if we find some time to do it :-) > >It's difficult to say much more than that - I'm supposed to be doing >some coding, but I'm very rapidly learning that just managing is both >difficult, and time consuming :-) I'd be happy to host a page/etc on my picksource site for it. I'm gonna be moving to my own server soon, if things work out. I'd also be glad to help with development/testing. Regards, Glen aka Ryengoth http://www.all-spec.com/picksource/ (soon to change) >-- >Anthony W. Youngman >'Yings, yow graley yin! Suz ae rikt dheu,' said the blue man, taking the >thimble. 'What *is* he?' said Magrat. 'They're gnomes,' said Nanny. The man >lowered the thimble. 'Pictsies!' >Carpe Jugulum, Terry Pratchett 1998 From: "sdavmor" Subject: Re: PIXIE - an mv-DBMS for linux Date: 1999/04/29 Message-ID: <4FEA5C47AEAAD2119D6300A0C982C1D10126CEE9@ftp.dataframe.net>#1/1 Sender: "Davies-Morris, Steven" References: <7g2qs7$sf8$1@stronghold.dhp.com> Organization: DMCG/ALH X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "sdavmor" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Newsgroups: comp.databases.pick,comp.os.linux.development.apps M Sweger wrote in message news:7g2qs7$sf8$1@stronghold.dhp.com... > >: We now have a small team together. Things are likely to go quiet for a >: little while as we sort out who does what, licencing, getting a unified >: code base etc. >: Hopefully we will very soon have an elementary file system and compiler >: available, so people can start coding in BASIC and we can try and >: harness the power of cdp to give us a full working system. > >Any Web page to monitor status, or mailing list to subscribe to???? > >-- > Mike, > mikesw@whiterose.net I'd be very interested in being kept posted on this, etiher by a list or a web page. Cheers Steven Davies-Morris Applications Liberate Hardware / JES & Associates (714) 557-8799 / (949) 553-8200 (@ JES) mvdbmswizard@yahoo.com From: pixieware@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: PIXIE - an mv-DBMS for linux Date: 1999/05/02 Message-ID: <7giis2$imr$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>#1/1 References: X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x6.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.77.159.200 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 02 22:16:35 1999 GMT Newsgroups: comp.databases.pick,comp.os.linux.development.apps X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.08 [en] (WinNT; I ;Nav) Hi, We notice your interest in a freely available version of PICK-like software. Please note the following when discussing names for such a project. Our New Zealand based company trades as The TOTAL Computer Company, but the limited liability company is PIXIE Partners Limited. We have developed a range of software for PICK(TM) to Windows(TM) connectivity. This software is sold as PixieWare(TM), and includes modules such as: - PixieLink(TM) - PixieWeb(TM) - PixieMail(TM) - PixieEditor(TM) - PixieTransfer(TM) When discussing names for your PICK-like product, it appears that the label PIXIE is beginning to stick. Could someone suggest some other label to avoid confusion with our product range. Visit our site www.thetotal.co.nz for more information. Regards, Dave Johnstone (Director). In article , "Anthony W. Youngman" wrote: > Note the x-post! > > Further to discussion on cdp, I have been offered an "almost working" > version of Pick, which the author would like to share if we can come to > reasonable agreement. > > The main thing missing is a Basic compiler (Pixic?). Are there any > compiler writers out there who could help. Note that from the "C" point > of view, the Basic syntax is nasty - semantics depends on syntax :-( - > the original writer said he couldn't implement it successfully in > YACC/Lex and that's probably why. Once that's in place, all the Pick > people should be able to get going writing stuff in Pixic (anybody got a > better name?) and we can develop in an environment familiar to Pickies. > > As for licencing, like me the original author isn't keen on going "Open > Source (tm)", certainly not to start with. As I mentioned on cdp, I'm > inclined to go for a MySQL style licence, basically on the "if you make > money, we would like a cut" share to be ploughed back into the package. > > I'll get back to the people who've already contacted me (thank you very > much) and let you know how things are going in the next day or so. > Unfortunately my weekends are the best time to devote to this and > they're full of other things at the moment ... If anybody else is > interested, please let me know. > > Note for colda people - Pick is the bumble-bee of the database world. > Just as the scientists said the bumble couldn't fly, so the computer > scientists said "Pick can't work". What most people don't know is that > less than a year after the original work on the bumble bee it was > discredited - the maths relied on fixed-wing aerodynamics and the bumble > doesn't have a fixed wing. As for databases, the best I can do is (sort > of) quote the Pick FAQ. "SQL optimises the easy bit, finding data in a > table. Pick optimises the hard bit - getting the data off the disk and > into a table in RAM". As regards disk access, Pick should have an almost > 1:1 seek:hit ratio on a well tuned file - and it's a poor implementation > nowadays that doesn't have automatic tuning. How many other databases > can read a 1k record from a 100Mb file and find the record they were > looking for at the first attempt? It blows the spots off of many > supposedly faster databases. > > All offers of help gratefully received. > -- > Anthony W. Youngman - wol at thewolery dot demon dot co dot uk > Trousers with a single hole in their waistband are topologically equivalent > to a doughnut. These sugarcoated trousers have yet to catch on at fast-food > outlets! (SuperStrings by F. David Peat) > > If replying by e-mail please mail wol. Anything else may get missed amongst > the spam. > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From: Mike Ganz Subject: Re: PIXIE - an mv-DBMS for linux Date: 1999/05/02 Message-ID: <372CE1BE.C171F92@silcon.com>#1/1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7giis2$imr$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Trace: 925688225.310.39 QDOK8IZ1S6D14CE63C usenet1.supernews.com Organization: Bespoke Utility Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 23:37:05 GMT Newsgroups: comp.databases.pick picolo / picolin / picasso / picaro / picaroon / piquant / topick / picklin / pickle / piclux / pickaboo / kwikpik .... ? Or something related to pixies and the like - goblinux / merlinux / merlux / elfinux / trollux .... ? Anyone got any more? Mike pixieware@my-dejanews.com wrote: > Hi, > We notice your interest in a freely available version of PICK-like software. > Please note the following when discussing names for such a project. Our > New Zealand based company trades as The TOTAL Computer Company, but the > limited liability company is PIXIE Partners Limited. We have developed > a range of software for PICK(TM) to Windows(TM) connectivity. This > software is sold as PixieWare(TM), and includes modules such as: > - PixieLink(TM) > - PixieWeb(TM) > - PixieMail(TM) > - PixieEditor(TM) > - PixieTransfer(TM) > > When discussing names for your PICK-like product, it appears that the label > PIXIE is beginning to stick. Could someone suggest some other label to avoid > confusion with our product range. > > Visit our site www.thetotal.co.nz for more information. > > Regards, Dave Johnstone (Director). > > In article , > "Anthony W. Youngman" wrote: > > Note the x-post! > > > > Further to discussion on cdp, I have been offered an "almost working" > > version of Pick, which the author would like to share if we can come to > > reasonable agreement. > > > > The main thing missing is a Basic compiler (Pixic?). Are there any > > compiler writers out there who could help. Note that from the "C" point > > of view, the Basic syntax is nasty - semantics depends on syntax :-( - > > the original writer said he couldn't implement it successfully in > > YACC/Lex and that's probably why. Once that's in place, all the Pick > > people should be able to get going writing stuff in Pixic (anybody got a > > better name?) and we can develop in an environment familiar to Pickies. > > > > As for licencing, like me the original author isn't keen on going "Open > > Source (tm)", certainly not to start with. As I mentioned on cdp, I'm > > inclined to go for a MySQL style licence, basically on the "if you make > > money, we would like a cut" share to be ploughed back into the package. > > > > I'll get back to the people who've already contacted me (thank you very > > much) and let you know how things are going in the next day or so. > > Unfortunately my weekends are the best time to devote to this and > > they're full of other things at the moment ... If anybody else is > > interested, please let me know. > > > > Note for colda people - Pick is the bumble-bee of the database world. > > Just as the scientists said the bumble couldn't fly, so the computer > > scientists said "Pick can't work". What most people don't know is that > > less than a year after the original work on the bumble bee it was > > discredited - the maths relied on fixed-wing aerodynamics and the bumble > > doesn't have a fixed wing. As for databases, the best I can do is (sort > > of) quote the Pick FAQ. "SQL optimises the easy bit, finding data in a > > table. Pick optimises the hard bit - getting the data off the disk and > > into a table in RAM". As regards disk access, Pick should have an almost > > 1:1 seek:hit ratio on a well tuned file - and it's a poor implementation > > nowadays that doesn't have automatic tuning. How many other databases > > can read a 1k record from a 100Mb file and find the record they were > > looking for at the first attempt? It blows the spots off of many > > supposedly faster databases. > > > > All offers of help gratefully received. > > -- > > Anthony W. Youngman - wol at thewolery dot demon dot co dot uk > > Trousers with a single hole in their waistband are topologically equivalent > > to a doughnut. These sugarcoated trousers have yet to catch on at fast-food > > outlets! (SuperStrings by F. David Peat) > > > > If replying by e-mail please mail wol. Anything else may get missed amongst > > the spam. > > > > > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From: "Matti Lamprhey" Subject: Re: PIXIE - an mv-DBMS for linux Date: 1999/05/03 Message-ID: <372d5ab6.0@news.netdirect.net.uk>#1/1 References: <7giis2$imr$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <372CE1BE.C171F92@silcon.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Trace: 3 May 1999 09:13:42 GMT, 195.7.225.111 Organization: KRWco X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Newsgroups: comp.databases.pick Picksux? Matti Mike Ganz wrote in message news:372CE1BE.C171F92@silcon.com... > picolo / picolin / picasso / picaro / picaroon / piquant / topick / picklin / > pickle / piclux / pickaboo / kwikpik .... ? Or something related to pixies and > the like - goblinux / merlinux / merlux / elfinux / trollux .... ? Anyone got any > more? > Mike > > pixieware@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > > Hi, > > We notice your interest in a freely available version of PICK-like software. > > Please note the following when discussing names for such a project. Our > > New Zealand based company trades as The TOTAL Computer Company, but the > > limited liability company is PIXIE Partners Limited. We have developed > > a range of software for PICK(TM) to Windows(TM) connectivity. This > > software is sold as PixieWare(TM), and includes modules such as: > > - PixieLink(TM) > > - PixieWeb(TM) > > - PixieMail(TM) > > - PixieEditor(TM) > > - PixieTransfer(TM) > > > > When discussing names for your PICK-like product, it appears that the label > > PIXIE is beginning to stick. Could someone suggest some other label to avoid > > confusion with our product range. > > > > Visit our site www.thetotal.co.nz for more information. > > > > Regards, Dave Johnstone (Director). > > > > In article , > > "Anthony W. Youngman" wrote: > > > Note the x-post! > > > > > > Further to discussion on cdp, I have been offered an "almost working" > > > version of Pick, which the author would like to share if we can come to > > > reasonable agreement. > > > > > > The main thing missing is a Basic compiler (Pixic?). Are there any > > > compiler writers out there who could help. Note that from the "C" point > > > of view, the Basic syntax is nasty - semantics depends on syntax :-( - > > > the original writer said he couldn't implement it successfully in > > > YACC/Lex and that's probably why. Once that's in place, all the Pick > > > people should be able to get going writing stuff in Pixic (anybody got a > > > better name?) and we can develop in an environment familiar to Pickies. > > > > > > As for licencing, like me the original author isn't keen on going "Open > > > Source (tm)", certainly not to start with. As I mentioned on cdp, I'm > > > inclined to go for a MySQL style licence, basically on the "if you make > > > money, we would like a cut" share to be ploughed back into the package. > > > > > > I'll get back to the people who've already contacted me (thank you very > > > much) and let you know how things are going in the next day or so. > > > Unfortunately my weekends are the best time to devote to this and > > > they're full of other things at the moment ... If anybody else is > > > interested, please let me know. > > > > > > Note for colda people - Pick is the bumble-bee of the database world. > > > Just as the scientists said the bumble couldn't fly, so the computer > > > scientists said "Pick can't work". What most people don't know is that > > > less than a year after the original work on the bumble bee it was > > > discredited - the maths relied on fixed-wing aerodynamics and the bumble > > > doesn't have a fixed wing. As for databases, the best I can do is (sort > > > of) quote the Pick FAQ. "SQL optimises the easy bit, finding data in a > > > table. Pick optimises the hard bit - getting the data off the disk and > > > into a table in RAM". As regards disk access, Pick should have an almost > > > 1:1 seek:hit ratio on a well tuned file - and it's a poor implementation > > > nowadays that doesn't have automatic tuning. How many other databases > > > can read a 1k record from a 100Mb file and find the record they were > > > looking for at the first attempt? It blows the spots off of many > > > supposedly faster databases. > > > > > > All offers of help gratefully received. > > > -- > > > Anthony W. Youngman - wol at thewolery dot demon dot co dot uk > > > Trousers with a single hole in their waistband are topologically equivalent > > > to a doughnut. These sugarcoated trousers have yet to catch on at fast-food > > > outlets! (SuperStrings by F. David Peat) > > > > > > If replying by e-mail please mail wol. Anything else may get missed amongst > > > the spam. > > > > > > > > > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- > > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own > From: Robert Berry Subject: Re: PIXIE - an mv-DBMS for linux Date: 1999/05/03 Message-ID: #1/1 References: <7giis2$imr$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <372CE1BE.C171F92@silcon.com> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Complaints-To: news@teleport.com X-Trace: news1.teleport.com 925770703 192.108.254.10 (Mon, 03 May 1999 15:31:43 PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 15:31:43 PDT Newsgroups: comp.databases.pick Seems to me that something simple but direct should be used. My first thought is "PICKopen - the open mvdbs". I have not followed this thread very carefully, too much work to do, so it may have been suggested before or perhaps just now. As far as this project is concerned, I think it is excellent. Let me know if I can work on any small peices in my spare time. Please keep us informed, Robert Berry Programmer / Analyst Portland, OR On Sun, 2 May 1999, Mike Ganz wrote: > picolo / picolin / picasso / picaro / picaroon / piquant / topick / picklin / > pickle / piclux / pickaboo / kwikpik .... ? Or something related to pixies and > the like - goblinux / merlinux / merlux / elfinux / trollux .... ? Anyone got any > more? > Mike > > pixieware@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > > Hi, > > We notice your interest in a freely available version of PICK-like software. > > Please note the following when discussing names for such a project. Our > > New Zealand based company trades as The TOTAL Computer Company, but the > > limited liability company is PIXIE Partners Limited. We have developed > > a range of software for PICK(TM) to Windows(TM) connectivity. This > > software is sold as PixieWare(TM), and includes modules such as: > > - PixieLink(TM) > > - PixieWeb(TM) > > - PixieMail(TM) > > - PixieEditor(TM) > > - PixieTransfer(TM) > > > > When discussing names for your PICK-like product, it appears that the label > > PIXIE is beginning to stick. Could someone suggest some other label to avoid > > confusion with our product range. > > > > Visit our site www.thetotal.co.nz for more information. > > > > Regards, Dave Johnstone (Director). > > > > In article , > > "Anthony W. Youngman" wrote: > > > Note the x-post! > > > > > > Further to discussion on cdp, I have been offered an "almost working" > > > version of Pick, which the author would like to share if we can come to > > > reasonable agreement. > > > > > > The main thing missing is a Basic compiler (Pixic?). Are there any > > > compiler writers out there who could help. Note that from the "C" point > > > of view, the Basic syntax is nasty - semantics depends on syntax :-( - > > > the original writer said he couldn't implement it successfully in > > > YACC/Lex and that's probably why. Once that's in place, all the Pick > > > people should be able to get going writing stuff in Pixic (anybody got a > > > better name?) and we can develop in an environment familiar to Pickies. > > > > > > As for licencing, like me the original author isn't keen on going "Open > > > Source (tm)", certainly not to start with. As I mentioned on cdp, I'm > > > inclined to go for a MySQL style licence, basically on the "if you make > > > money, we would like a cut" share to be ploughed back into the package. > > > > > > I'll get back to the people who've already contacted me (thank you very > > > much) and let you know how things are going in the next day or so. > > > Unfortunately my weekends are the best time to devote to this and > > > they're full of other things at the moment ... If anybody else is > > > interested, please let me know. > > > > > > Note for colda people - Pick is the bumble-bee of the database world. > > > Just as the scientists said the bumble couldn't fly, so the computer > > > scientists said "Pick can't work". What most people don't know is that > > > less than a year after the original work on the bumble bee it was > > > discredited - the maths relied on fixed-wing aerodynamics and the bumble > > > doesn't have a fixed wing. As for databases, the best I can do is (sort > > > of) quote the Pick FAQ. "SQL optimises the easy bit, finding data in a > > > table. Pick optimises the hard bit - getting the data off the disk and > > > into a table in RAM". As regards disk access, Pick should have an almost > > > 1:1 seek:hit ratio on a well tuned file - and it's a poor implementation > > > nowadays that doesn't have automatic tuning. How many other databases > > > can read a 1k record from a 100Mb file and find the record they were > > > looking for at the first attempt? It blows the spots off of many > > > supposedly faster databases. > > > > > > All offers of help gratefully received. > > > -- > > > Anthony W. Youngman - wol at thewolery dot demon dot co dot uk > > > Trousers with a single hole in their waistband are topologically equivalent > > > to a doughnut. These sugarcoated trousers have yet to catch on at fast-food > > > outlets! (SuperStrings by F. David Peat) > > > > > > If replying by e-mail please mail wol. Anything else may get missed amongst > > > the spam. > > > > > > > > > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- > > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own > > > From: luke@sub.net.au (Luke Webber) Subject: Re: PIXIE - an mv-DBMS for linux Date: 1999/05/03 Message-ID: <925772643.215593@collins.sub.net.au>#1/1 Cache-Post-Path: collins.sub.net.au!luke@oberon.sub.net.au References: <7giis2$imr$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <372CE1BE.C171F92@silcon.com> X-Complaints-To: news@netlink.com.au X-Trace: news.netlink.com.au 925772692 27111 202.182.64.1 (3 May 1999 23:04:52 GMT) Organization: SubNet Internet Services X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 May 1999 23:04:52 GMT Newsgroups: comp.databases.pick Mike Ganz writes: >picolo / picolin / picasso / picaro / picaroon / piquant / topick / picklin / >pickle / piclux / pickaboo / kwikpik .... ? Or something related to pixies and >the like - goblinux / merlinux / merlux / elfinux / trollux .... ? Anyone got any >more? >Mike Considering that Pick is (tm), what better name than Dick? ;^) -- Luke Webber * Note: The opinions expressed by Luke Webber are in no way supported * * by his employers, Luke Webber Consulting Services * From: "Ken Wallis" Subject: Re: PIXIE - an mv-DBMS for linux Date: 1999/05/04 Message-ID: #1/1 References: <7giis2$imr$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <372CE1BE.C171F92@silcon.com> <925772643.215593@collins.sub.net.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Trace: news2.ozemail.com.au 925779249 203.108.42.116 (Tue, 04 May 1999 10:54:09 EST) Organization: OzEmail Ltd, Australia NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:54:09 EST Newsgroups: comp.databases.pick Luke Webber wrote >Considering that Pick is (tm), what better name than Dick? ;^) But considering that Dick is unable to be involved with this project due to: 1) Not being invited 2) Being deceased perhaps 'Dickless' would be more accurate? ;^) Cheers, Ken From: "Ed Sheehan" Subject: Re: PIXIE - an mv-DBMS for linux Date: 1999/05/03 Message-ID: <7gljp4$qti$1@news.xmission.com>#1/1 References: <7giis2$imr$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <372CE1BE.C171F92@silcon.com> <925772643.215593@collins.sub.net.au> X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xmission.com X-Trace: news.xmission.com 925782628 27570 166.70.6.101 (4 May 1999 01:50:28 GMT) Organization: XMission http://www.xmission.com/ X-MSMail-Priority: Normal NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 May 1999 01:50:28 GMT Newsgroups: comp.databases.pick Ok. Here is the last stupid entry for a name: Dick is room temp, Pick is (tm), So how about Dickless Pickless? Now EVERYBODY GET BACK TO WORK! :-) Ed Ken Wallis wrote in message news:RyrX2.6462$116.10135@news2.ozemail.com.au... > Luke Webber wrote > > >Considering that Pick is (tm), what better name than Dick? ;^) > > > But considering that Dick is unable to be involved with this project due to: > > 1) Not being invited > 2) Being deceased > > perhaps 'Dickless' would be more accurate? ;^) > > Cheers, > > Ken > > From: pixieware@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: PIXIE - an mv-DBMS for linux Date: 1999/05/02 Message-ID: <7gimj7$le4$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>#1/1 References: X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x5.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.77.159.200 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 02 23:20:09 1999 GMT Newsgroups: comp.databases.pick,comp.os.linux.development.apps X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.08 [en] (WinNT; I ;Nav) Hi There, We are a New Zealand based software development company Pixie Partners Limited, trading as The TOTAL Computer Company. We notice with interest the discussion on a PICK-like software development. We notice with special interest the label that has become associated with this project: PIXIE. We trade our own brand of software under the label PixieWare(TM), with the individual components being: PixieLink(TM) PixieWeb(TM) PixieEditor(TM) PixieMail(TM) PixieTransfer(TM) and others. We suggest at this point, that to avoid confusion with our products, another label be adopted. Please note that in principle we agree with the objectives of such a development, and may even wish to contribute to this project. Regards, Dave Johnstone (Managing Director). -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From: luke@sub.net.au (Luke Webber) Subject: Re: PIXIE - an mv-DBMS for linux Date: 1999/05/03 Message-ID: <925772500.614509@collins.sub.net.au>#1/1 Cache-Post-Path: collins.sub.net.au!luke@oberon.sub.net.au References: <7gimj7$le4$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> X-Complaints-To: news@netlink.com.au X-Trace: news.netlink.com.au 925772555 23911 202.182.64.1 (3 May 1999 23:02:35 GMT) Organization: SubNet Internet Services X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 May 1999 23:02:35 GMT Newsgroups: comp.databases.pick,comp.os.linux.development.apps pixieware@my-dejanews.com writes: >We suggest at this point, that to avoid confusion with our products, >another label be adopted. Thank God. It's such a silly name anyway . Sorry, but it had to be said. -- Luke Webber * Note: The opinions expressed by Luke Webber are in no way supported * * by his employers, Luke Webber Consulting Services *